“One of the coolest things about […] becoming climate positive is how many businesses have followed our example.” — Beat Steiner 

Most heli-skiers chase the perfect line, but what if they left behind something even greater? At Bella Coola Heli Sports, guests become part of a larger effort to protect the landscapes and communities that make this kind of adventure possible by contributing to its Legacy Fund.

Operating in one of the last remaining temperate wilderness regions, the company recognizes its responsibility to safeguard the environment. “I feel a tremendous privilege to be out in these mountains,” says owner Beat Steiner. “And if you can share that […] it’s a first step towards embracing preservation or conservation.”

Guests contribute to positive change through a 2% surcharge that goes toward the company’s Legacy Fund. The Fund began in 2023, and it supports initiatives in community development, conservation, and climate action. Its projects include local ecosystem protection, research on mountain wildlife, and mental health programs for guides.

Bella Coola Heli Sports is making meaningful progress at a time when airlines and carbon-intensive travel experiences are under pressure to reduce emissions. In 2020, the company became a climate-positive heli-ski operator by investing in carbon offsets and sustainable aviation fuels while encouraging industry-wide change. Their approach is inspiring both travellers and businesses to rethink their role in conservation.

By balancing adventure with stewardship, Bella Coola Heli Sports is proving that heli-skiing isn’t just about the experience, it’s about the impact you leave behind.

In this episode of Travel Beyond, you will learn: 

• How Bella Coola Heli Sports integrates sustainability into high-impact tourism.
• Insights on carbon offsetting and sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) in adventure tourism.
• Strategies for funding conservation projects through tourism.
• The balance between environmental stewardship and tourism growth.
• The importance of collaboration with local communities.

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Show notes

Bella Coola Heli Sports — A heli-skiing operator in Bella Coola, British Columbia, offering guided backcountry skiing experiences.

Bella Coola Heli Sports Legacy Fund – A sustainability initiative funded by a 2% guest surcharge, supporting community, conservation, and climate projects in the Bella Coola Valley.

Great Bear Rainforest — A vast, ecologically significant temperate rainforest along British Columbia’s central and northern coast. 

Helicat Canada — The industry association representing helicopter and snowcat skiing operators in Canada, promoting safety, sustainability, and best practices.

Tweedsmuir Park Lodge — A luxury wilderness lodge in British Columbia’s Tweedsmuir Provincial Park, offering outdoor adventure experiences.

Episode transcript

This transcript was generated using AI and has been lightly reviewed for accuracy.

Beat Steiner: I’d like to see my neighbors in Bella Coola start to charge this sustainability fund, and if we all pool that together, we’d have an incredible amount of resources to essentially improve the tourism facilities in the Bella Coola Valley.

David Archer: Welcome to Travel Beyond. I’m David Archer from Destination Think, recording from Haida Gwaii, the territory of the Haida Nation off the north coast of British Columbia in Canada. On this show, we look at travel’s role in making a better world, and we highlight leading destinations and changemakers. Our guests are taking local action that the world can learn from, they’re helping to regenerate ecosystems, communities, and economies, and they’re often making positive change happen from the bottom up.

Many of the voices we’ve highlighted are part of the Destination Think Collective, a peer group of ambitious, forward thinking destinations working toward a better future for travel and the planet. Members represent places like Banff and Lake Louise, Cape Breton, Seattle, Copenhagen, Queenstown Lakes, and several others.

Well, I rarely get to fly in a helicopter, so I’m a little bit jealous of today’s guest, because today is all about the fascinating role that Bella Coola Helisports plays in shaping not just tourism in the Cariboo Chilcotin Coast, but also its broader impact on guests and the natural environment. As one of the world’s leading heliskiing operators, Bella Coola Helisports is in a unique position to influence how tourism can align with conservation, sustainability, and community goals.

And if you’re a traveler or work in tourism, you know businesses like this can have an enormous influence on people. They’re not just elevating the profile of the region, they’re creating some unforgettable and transformative guest experiences. And while visitors are definitely making incredible memories up in those helicopters and on the sides of those mountains, they’re also taking home a deeper understanding of environmental stewardship and the responsibility that we all share to protect wild spaces.

Customers of Bella Coola Helisports also contribute a 2 percent surcharge to the company’s legacy fund, which is devoted to community conservation and climate. And I recommend checking out their website to read about everything that fund supports, from emissions reductions to local events. We’ll link to that in the show notes.

And by the way, the idea that tourism operators can lead by example is something that we found elsewhere on this podcast, including our conversation with Trent Yale all the way back in season two of Travel Beyond, where we visited Ziptrek EcoTours in Queenstown Lakes. A lot of similar thinking there. In this discussion, we’ll explore how Bella Coola Helisports balances its adventurous spirit with its responsibility to the land and community, and how its leadership in sustainable tourism is inspiring guests to think differently about their own role in conservation.

Here is Rodney Payne speaking with Beat Steiner, the owner of Bella Coola Helisports.

Beat Steiner: Uh, my name is Beat Steiner and I’m a CEO of Bella Coola Helisports and Tweedsmuir Park Lodge.

Rodney Payne: And Beat’s a Swiss name.

Beat Steiner: It’s a very Swiss name, yes. Beat, uh, male version of Beatrice, but it only exists in Switzerland for boys.

Rodney Payne: Can you tell me what you love about this region?

Beat Steiner: Bella Coola? Uh, well, actually the entire Pacific Northwest of North America is a phenomenal place in the world, but Bella Coola has everything that the Pacific Northwest has in spades, it’s like it’s on steroids here. The mountains are bigger, the trees are bigger, the fish are bigger.

It’s just an amazing place.

Rodney Payne: What first drew you to these landscapes that, you know, heliski now takes you?

Beat Steiner: Um, we were making, um, at my previous career, I was a ski and snowboard filmmaker. And, uh, we were, traveled all over the world looking for, you know, interesting places to, to ski, to film skiing. Ended up in Bella Coola, even though it’s pretty close to my hometown, it’s a long way to drive.

So I hadn’t reached here yet, but when we came here in 2000, first time, uh, February 2000, immediately that I got off the plane, it was like, oh my god, this place is, this is where I want to be. And then, yeah, the skiing was fantastic. We did a bunch of film projects here and fell in love with the whole valley.

Rodney Payne: How do you think a trip with Bella Coola Heli Skiing can change someone?

Beat Steiner: Well, hopefully it can change somebody and kind of in the similar way that it, you know, changed me even though I was very familiar with mountain landscapes and been in a lot of interesting places. But just the sheer, you know, kind of the beauty and I feel a tremendous privilege to be out in these mountains.

And if you can share that and other people can feel that kind of feel privileged to be here as well. That’s I suppose the first step towards embracing preservation or conservation of the of the landscapes.

Rodney Payne: How would you describe this landscape to someone who hasn’t seen it or been here before?

Beat Steiner: It’s uh, yeah, it’s hard to I mean anything if they’re not familiar with mountain landscapes it’s hard to describe the impact that might have on you, but it’s just so vast and so wild.

Rodney Payne: What responsibilities do you feel come with the privilege of being in such an untouched part of the world?

Beat Steiner: Yeah, a lot of responsibility. I mean, it starts with responsibility to my coworkers who, you know, now rely on their, their jobs and they’ve got families to feed. And so there’s that responsibility. And then they’re kind of the response. I mean, you’re kind of a new found, I suppose, but a responsibility to the community that is hosting us, especially the First Nations, Indigenous people that live here that have been here for a long time and and then so I’ve got that relation, uh, responsibility to the community and then kind of the responsibility to the climate and, uh, you know, we are carbon, we do produce carbon and, and, uh, have that impact and, you know, the global warming is, is definitely a thing.

We see it all the time. We see the glacier shrinking. We can see the, winter is becoming more unpredictable and it’s, uh, you know, it’s a big concern for, for me personally, but also for the company and the livelihood of all those people that rely on this work.

Rodney Payne: You’ve repeatedly been voted the world’s best heli ski operator.

What, what sorts of people come to visit and where do they come from?

Beat Steiner: Um, we get our guests come from pretty much all over the world, but certainly there’s kind of a uh, there’s about, I’d say about 50 percent of our clientele is from the United States and then 40 percent is from Europe, you know, where, where you would expect to, you know, you’ve got the Brits and the Swiss and the Germans, you know, some Swedes, um, Austrians, um, and then, you know, you get, you get Spaniards and French too, but the core, I think is probably the Germanic and English speaking market in Europe.

And then the rest of the 10 percent is some Canadians. Um, that’s probably the next biggest market and then you get the Australians and people from Singapore and occasionally Japanese, but it’s, yeah, where you would expect it from, right? The people that have ski markets in their home countries.

Rodney Payne: Yeah, it’s, it’s a really diverse sort of set of nationalities that you get to, you get to host.

Yes. Yeah. You were also world’s first climate positive heli ski operation. Can you tell me about that a little and why it’s so important?

Beat Steiner: Um, well, we, um, climate positive, first of all, is, uh, it’s being carbon neutral, which is through buying carbon offsets. Kind of recognizing that the buying carbon offsets is not the solution, right?

We’re still producing carbon and we can feel good about buying carbon offsets, but it’s certainly not the solution. It’s kind of just putting a marker down that we know that this is a problem. We want to do what we can today. And that’s something we can do today. And then to acknowledge that we need to do more, it’s we buy an extra 10 percent and that’s what gets you the climate positive designation for as a business.

Rodney Payne: Are you seeing travelers care more about actions like that?

Beat Steiner: That’s a interesting question. I’m not sure how to answer that because I think people do, but I don’t know how much it actually impacts the purchasing decision on the clients, right? They, they, they say they care and we see it in our, all our lives, right?

You, you care, but you’re still faced with the reality of having to make choices. And the, you know, the, the climate seems to be sort of. In the distance and you’ve got today’s choices is like, where can I go skiing because I’ve got a week off my job only gives me this particular week off. And if there is no room at Bella Coola Helisports, you know, you’re going to go somewhere else because you’re still want to go skiing.

So that whether like in terms of we don’t market it very heavily. We don’t, I don’t think we splashed it around on our website as the first reason to come to Bella Coola, right? It’s something we feel we need to do, not because we’re trying to gain a business advantage out of it.

Rodney Payne: I also think that it can have a subtle impact on people that might sort of have a lag effect, and maybe on other businesses in the tourism industry.

Have you seen that at all?

Beat Steiner: I think the place where it’s had the most effect for us that I’ve seen is actually with our staff. They like knowing that we’re, that the company is doing something, you know, that they’re all aware of the climate impact and stuff like that. So they really appreciate that the company is, is taking this stance and is a leader in this.

And so I think we got an advantage in our hiring practices more than our sales practices. And then I’m very, uh, proud or, or like one of the coolest things about starting that climate and becoming climate positive is how many businesses have followed our, our example. And now the whole industry, we, um, Helicat Canada, I’m president of the, that’s the industry association that supports all the helicopter and snowcat skiing businesses.

And we’ve released the, you know, what do we call it? Sightlines 2030. Where, um, the industry as a whole is committed to having 50 percent of all businesses being, um, climate neutral by 2030.

Rodney Payne: Yeah, it’s fantastic. And I think that when it comes to sustainability or climate change, we’ve been talking about it for so many decades that a lot of the language has been very politicized.

And at the end of the day, the types of things we’re talking about are in everyone’s best sort of short, medium and long term interests. And where there’s lighthouses like yourself, we often see that ripple out to other businesses because you can go first, show it’s possible and not that scary and take a little bit of that sort of politicized language out of the conversation.

Beat Steiner: Yeah, for sure, right? Somebody’s got to figure it out. And then you realize it’s not that complicated, but my colleague can ask questions and, you know, I can bring it as a discussion point to our board meetings at Helicat Canada. And tell them, right? It’s actually, it’s not that expensive. You know, we, we have a, um, we charge all our guests a 2 percent sustainability fee.

And we use money from that sustainability fee for the carbon credits. And so, I mean, they can all do that as well, right? And it’s not that complicated to do. And, and so it’s not even out of your bottom line at that point, right? 

Rodney Payne: Yeah, can you tell me about how your legacy fund works?

Beat Steiner: Well, it’s new so we’re still figuring it out, right?

There’s still a lot to learn. But we started about 18 months ago. We started charging all our guests 2 percent and you know, it just goes into a fund for well I mentioned it early too. It’s for is to address community conservation and climate. So those are the kind of the three pillars that we’re looking for.

So we got to add, we got to figure out how to advertise that and how to get people uh, to know about the fund and get that application process running. And then also the, the process of vetting which projects we want to fund. So there’s that learning curve. Um, and then the climate part of it, of the fund, the pillar, we, we make the decision internally and with the team about what, what we want to do.

And then a lot of the conservation stuff, um, we also pay, put money into the Commercial Bear Viewing Association. So we leverage our funds together with funds from other bear viewing operations for, yeah, bear, primarily bear conservation projects through that. And then Helicat Canada has, also has a similar fund.

So, uh, you know, that’s, uh, caribou research and mountain goat research, but also uh, mental health, uh, research and projects for, for guides, you know, guides have, uh, can have a pretty tough job and can see some, some wrecks and, you know, they suffer trauma. So there’s, there is a mental health issue within the guiding community.

And so we, you know, that fund supports all these kind of, kind of projects. We, we, uh, we asked the guest 2 percent and not a single guest has questioned it or, you know, said, oh, I not, I don’t really want to pay it. So it’s been a, it’s been a really good uptake and, uh, we’re all excited about it. And, um, it’s very similar to what you would see in lodges in Africa.

I’ve been fortunate to, to visit three safari lodges and they all do that as well. You know, they have a sustainability fund that goes back to the communities that they’re operating out of. 

Rodney Payne: And it’s only in its infancy now, but think about sort of five or 10 years down the track when you’ve collected 2 percent year on year and you can start to see some of the investments and projects having taken shape and how that could enhance the guest experience because you can tell those stories and even perhaps go and show people some of the things that you’ve managed to help to contribute to.

Beat Steiner: Yeah. And then again, I’m hoping that it’s going to, other people are going to start, right. And there’s a project in Tofino, which really inspired me where the, uh, businesses on a voluntary basis can, uh, add a 1 percent charge to their invoices. And we’re talking pizza shops and restaurants and all sorts of businesses.

And they started that six years ago. They now have a hundred and something like 25 businesses participating. They raised 430, 000. And that all goes to the, uh, Tribal, um, Parks, uh, Tribal Parks Guardians. So it’s a First Nations led project and it, you know, hires their youth to go out and maintain the trails and, you know, park benches, but also kind of have an eye on the, on the land.

And if there is, you know, an issue with dumping, they’re, they’re right on top of it. And it empowers them and it empowers their youth to get back onto their land. And I think that’s what I’d like to see here in Bella Coola as well. I’d like to see my neighbors in Bella Coola start to charge this sustainability fund.

And if we all pool that together, we’d have an incredible amount of resources to, you know, essentially improve the tourism facilities in the Bella Coola Valley.

Rodney Payne: It’s such a beautiful model and we’ve spent time in Tofino, uh, with a lot of the people behind the Tribal Parks Guardians Fund. I think there are almost up to 150 businesses now.

And it is a brilliant model and there’s a few like it, um, sort of scattered around the world. There’s a similar one down Queenstown, um, that’s, that’s also in its infancy and just growing. But I think that it becomes to me having, having had the chance to, to sort of see different things happening around the world, quite obvious that we can, we can sort of skim the cream from the tourism sector to really intentionally put back into community, climate and conservation as sort of the three pillars that you’ve also identified. And it’s, it’s a very, um, natural way that we really can start to see tourism be a lot less extractive and a lot more additive to the host communities.

Beat Steiner: Yeah.

Rodney Payne: Uh, let’s nerd out over climate a little bit. You mentioned offsetting before, so I’m, I’m guessing we’re going to have something to talk about.

Offsetting has been under a lot of scrutiny in, in recent years, and there’s a whole spectrum of ways to offset, right? You can do things like what you’re doing, which are near and local and. Um, you know, relatively low, low risk in terms of, uh, the, the, the longevity of those offsets all the way through to, you know, things that are somewhat dubious and getting negative, negative headlines where, where do you think the, um, the solutions will come from for industries like, like yours, like the tourism industry in terms of, um, alternative fuels or electrification of aircraft that you could use, or, you know, autonomous drones that, you know, um, you know, in, in 10 years, are we all going to be flying around the mountains in a, in a personal drone?

What, what do you see the future looking like?

Beat Steiner: Maybe drones. I, I, you know, it’s, it’s changing so fast and I’ve been using drones just for photography for a while. And as soon as I saw them, I was like, oh my god, this is a game changer. Will it ramp up to helicopter skiing? I imagine so, right? It’s, you’re gonna, the, it’ll happen.

Um, you know, is that going to impact my business? Probably, because it’ll be like a snowmobile. Somebody has their own private drone, right? They don’t need to, they’ll probably still want to ski with a guide, or I would highly recommend it. Unless they’re very well educated themselves in snow safety.

Rodney Payne: It’s very hard to bring a, uh, an electric sort of vertical takeoff and landing vehicle with you though from, from overseas.

I think you, I think you’ll be quite safe.

Beat Steiner:  You can kind of rent them. Maybe you get into renting. Um, that’s a few years down the road. I’m not really worried about that at this point. Um, electrification is also a little ways away. Like helicopters are, um, the, you need a lot of energy density and a weight is critical in a helicopter.

So unfortunately we can’t switch to electrification anytime soon that I see. Unless there’s some fundamental change in battery technology. What we can do, or what we have explored, and we bought 6, 000 litres last year of sustainable aviation fuel. And I know there’s a lot of controversy around that too, right?

People are, are talking about it. Whether it’s taking food out of the food supply, and these are all very legitimate concerns. But at the same time, if you don’t try it doesn’t develop, right? Maybe, you know, we need to support companies doing this sort of things as well because they’re researching on how to do it better all the time, too, and if I buy 6, 000 liters of sustainable aviation fuel, that’s again, it’s kind of a marker to say, but I’m interested in this technology, let’s see where it can go.

And certainly at current production levels, it’s not the solution, but where can it go in 10 years from now? And if that’s a more, I think that’s currently a more realistic solution for helicopter uses to have a lower carbon impact fuel than to try to go to electrification.

Rodney Payne: Yeah, I think what you said about marker is, is very important and, and shouldn’t be sort of glossed over because I think it’s, it sends market signal it, it helps draw like minded partners potentially to you and, and, and suppliers as well.

I think the, I really appreciate the level of transparency that, that you, you know, talk with because I think that’s ultimately how innovation happens. If we can, if we can just be open about problems. And seek to solve them, um, human ingenuity is, is almost unstoppable. Right. And

Beat Steiner: we hope so.

Rodney Payne: Yeah, we hope so.

There’s so much good happening. You know, there, there is a company in California that I’m aware of working on electrifying helicopters. And, you know, the use case will be very specific to begin with, but some company will adopt that and they’ll learn and they’ll share their learning. Uh, and, and, and it will grow from there.

And, um, I think the possibility gets really exciting.

Beat Steiner: Yeah, I mean, we really need to be trying everything we possibly can and seeing which ones develop and which ones shake out and become, you know, easier to adopt and address this problem we’re all facing.

Rodney Payne: What do you think about carbon removal or companies like Carbon Engineering down in Squamish turning CO2 from the atmosphere into synthetic fuels?

Do you think there’s potential there?

Beat Steiner: I’ve got my eye on that as well and one of our guests, his son had a company that I thought was really cool. Cool idea. Tide? What do they call themselves again? Running Tide. Running Tide? Yeah. Where they would seed the ocean with, uh, you know, little wood bricks that are impregnated with seaweed seeds.

And the seaweed would grow, which is the, I think it’s the fastest growing organic plant substance in the world, you can create giant seaweed kelp, I guess, forests. And then if it’s done in the right part of the ocean, after, you know, eight months, the wood brick kind of dissolves and the seaweed sinks to the bottom of the ocean.

And if it’s deep enough, it becomes a permanent carbon storage site, right? There’s no bacteria or it doesn’t decay down if it’s deep enough. And that’s the key, right? We need to remove the carbon from the short term carbon cycle into a long term carbon cycle to get it back out for a long term.

Rodney Payne: There’s so many inspiring entrepreneurs that I’ve met who are working on so many different facets of balancing out that short term carbon cycle and you know, whether it’s ocean based technologies or sort of some of the relatively simple rock mineralization or biochar solutions and everything in between to, you know, very energy intensive at the moment, direct air capture, there’s so much potential there.

And I think that’s why these conversations are so important because so many people don’t even realize it’s, it’s possible, right? If you hadn’t run into your guest, you probably never would have heard of running tide.

Beat Steiner: I wouldn’t have heard of running tide, but I was aware of the carbon engineering and Squamish.

So I was kind of looking at that and that’s my goal in the end would be. You know, the, the amount of money that we collect that we want to attribute to climate as that pillar from the fund is to, you know, continue with our carbon, um, uh, offsetting. Um, that’s a great project because it’s also a local project.

It goes into the, uh, Great Barrier Rainforest, which then also supports the coastal guardians. So it’s even if it’s not the cheapest one, it’s the one that makes most sense for us and it’s a local and I know it’s, you know, again, I’m not completely up on all the science of it, but if it ends up in the hands of the coastal guardians, then that’s a good thing, right?

So there’s a lot of pluses to that.

Rodney Payne: And it has massive ecosystem benefits as well. Yes. 

Beat Steiner: Yeah, yeah, exactly. There’s more than just the climate picture there that’s going on for me. And then we want to support sustainable aviation fuels and see where that leads. And then we want to um, start also purchasing these carbon capture things.

And, uh, I haven’t done that yet, but I’m waiting for the, the, kind of the project that makes sense.

Rodney Payne: When you think about your legacy, what do you hope Bella Coola Heli Sports will be remembered for?

Beat Steiner: Yeah, I haven’t really thought about that, but just a lot of great skiing and, and, you know, like life changing experiences for people in the mountains.

And I mean, the amount of times we get people saying, oh my god, that was the best day of my life. That’s really, really rewarding for, for all of us that are involved in, in the company. And, um, and that’s kind of the, you know, the bigger questions are, you know, uh, travel does have a carbon impact and, but you want to, as we’re moving towards, you know, having to fight this probably more and more aggressively over time.

The, you know, the first thing that you cut out of your life, you want to be that, the peak experiences of your life. Or are you going to address the mundane things in your life that you could change? You know, can you move closer to your job site or use public transportation so you’re not driving every day, you know, or turn down the heating in your house by five degrees and wear sweaters?

I’ve had so many North Americans have their houses heated in the winter and they’re walking around in a t shirt. And shorts inside and it’s 30 degrees or 20 degrees below outside, you know, that’s where I think we should make the change before we start cutting out travel and cutting out those formative or life changing experiences.

Rodney Payne: There’s a founder of what I think is the world’s first fully electric farm down on the South Island of New Zealand that I’ve managed to spend a bit of time with. Mike Casey is his name and he, he has a similar thing in terms of electrifying your farm because often different parts of your farm, you know, have different levels of emotional attachment.

His advice to other farmers that want to save the money that he’s saving on fuels now is, um, to start with the machines that you hate, right? Don’t, don’t start by electrifying your 1953 Fergie tractor that you’ve lovingly restored, you know, with every hour on the weekend that can wait until later. Um, but start with the machines that, that frustrate you the most because the electric counterpart to those is often so, so great in a, in a farm use case.

Yeah, and it’s similar in our, in our own lives too. When you think about our responsibility as, as people who are lucky enough to travel and do some of the things that we’re talking about. And you think about our individual impact versus sort of the sweeping societal change that’s needed to, to help the world to transition.

Where do you think our responsibility lies? Is it, is it individual action? Do we, do we have to be advocating for more from, from the people leading businesses and governments?

Beat Steiner: Yes, I think the answer is yes. I think we need to operate on whatever level we can, right? If you’re a local farmer, you do what you can locally.

If you’re a politician, you should be, um, speaking out. You know, if you have a voice, a public voice, you need to be using that public voice to steer the society in the right direction. That’s so incredibly frustrating when you see politicians who I’m sure know better are, you know, denying climate change or, or, um, just to get, you know, to get, essentially to get votes or to try to get into office.

And it unfortunately seems to work a lot of the time, but that is, you know, completely irresponsible as far as I’m concerned.

Rodney Payne: It’s a really perfect note to end on. I really appreciate you coming in early this morning to come and spend some time with us before you, uh, head back home. And, uh, you know, thanks for everything you’re doing.

Beat Steiner: Yeah,

David Archer: This has been Travel Beyond presented by Destination Think, and you just heard Rodney Payne speaking with Beat Steiner about adventure tourism and conservation in Bella Coola, British Columbia. For more resources and show notes, visit the blog at DestinationThink.com. This episode was produced and has theme music composed by me, David Archer, Sarah Raymond de Booy, my co producer.

Lindsay Payne, Jamie Sterling, and Cory Price provided production support. If you like what you hear, please take a moment to give us a 5 star rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. It helps more people find our show. We’ll be back with you next time for more from the Cariboo Chilcotin Coast and from Bella Coola Helisports.

Talk to you then.